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    Quote Originally Posted by superfan99 View Post
    No, the issue at hand was that what he discussed may compromise the source to the Russians, and that the Russians may share those details with their ally, Syria. Details he shared weren't reportedly "sources or methods", but the details of intelligence he shared alone could implicate the source. The greater concern being that whatever foreign agency shared that intelligence with us may be less likely to share it in the future if the moron we elected can't keep his narcissistic mouth shut.


    That's why they reportedly had to go running to the intelligence agencies immediately following Trump's meeting with the Russians to inform them that their source may have been compromised. Not that the Russians were going to tell ISIS.


    ... but that all depends on who your willing to believe. Given the way he's continually contradicting and embarrassing his subordinates recently, I doubt the media is terribly far off.
    He didn't give them the source the SECRET information was the city where the bombs were being made/tested...

    So now the assumption is he gave up sources/methods during a back story explaining more details of the laptop plot...lol ok.

    So did he give name addresses and locations of human assets used to determine this information? Or did he explain the electronic surveillance in detail and give the Russians code for command and control implants on laptops or phone used to gather this info?

    Now you're worried that Israel will stop sharing intel with us? A country that gets insane amounts of military and intel support from us and works together on joint operations all the time? All because Trump gave some vague details backing up the bombing plot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post
    Now you're worried that Israel will stop sharing intel with us? A country that gets insane amounts of military and intel support from us and works together on joint operations all the time? All because Trump gave some vague details backing up the bombing plot?
    Part of the bigger picture. No one wants to trust that idiot if he keeps opening his mouth like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post
    He didn't give them the source the SECRET information was the city where the bombs were being made/tested...

    So now the assumption is he gave up sources/methods during a back story explaining more details of the laptop plot...lol ok.

    So did he give name addresses and locations of human assets used to determine this information? Or did he explain the electronic surveillance in detail and give the Russians code for command and control implants on laptops or phone used to gather this info?
    Reports indicated that he said the name of the city where the intelligence was collected.

    I'm not saying that's explicitly what was said, it was simply intended to be illustrative of the difference of sharing details and information.

    Sources and Methods refer to who and how. Details refer to the contents. Reports are that he did share the name of the city where the intelligence was collected(a detail), but that he didn't indicate what country (source) or by what method that country collected it (methods).

    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post

    Now you're worried that Israel will stop sharing intel with us? A country that gets insane amounts of military and intel support from us and works together on joint operations all the time? All because Trump gave some vague details backing up the bombing plot?

    Assuming the reports are true that it came from Israel, it's certainly possible that their IS may be less likely to share information IF he did in fact compromise their source. After all, how would we know they aren't sharing something?

    So, just so I'm clear; media reporting on the source of the intel is correct, but the media reports about what trump may have said and the issues presented to the IC are incorrect? Is that your assertion at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by superfan99 View Post
    Reports indicated that he said the name of the city where the intelligence was collected.

    I'm not saying that's explicitly what was said, it was simply intended to be illustrative of the difference of sharing details and information.

    Sources and Methods refer to who and how. Details refer to the contents. Reports are that he did share the name of the city where the intelligence was collected(a detail), but that he didn't indicate what country (source) or by what method that country collected it (methods).


    Assuming the reports are true that it came from Israel, it's certainly possible that their IS may be less likely to share information IF he did in fact compromise their source. After all, how would we know they aren't sharing something?

    So, just so I'm clear; media reporting on the source of the intel is correct, but the media reports about what trump may have said and the issues presented to the IC are incorrect? Is that your assertion at this point?
    The SOURCE wasn't disclosed DETAILS about the plot were disclosed...again ISIS is the enemy of the majority citizens on the planet regardless of country and attacks on flights cause deaths for people from all countries/religions/races/etc.

    I'm still failing to see any connection about anything Trump might have said that would hurt/impact sources on the ground electronic or human.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post
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    I'm still failing to see any connection about anything Trump might have said that would hurt/impact sources on the ground electronic or human.
    I heard a pretty good analogy for this the other day. Think of Intelligence is a big puzzle. Every IS has a some of the pieces, but not all of them. Details the president exposed may be pieces that the Russians didn't already have. Now that they do it makes connections to other parts of the puzzle they already had, potentially exposing the source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superfan99 View Post
    I heard a pretty good analogy for this the other day. Think of Intelligence is a big puzzle. Every IS has a some of the pieces, but not all of them. Details the president exposed may be pieces that the Russians didn't already have. Now that they do it makes connections to other parts of the puzzle they already had, potentially exposing the source.
    Source was already at risk the minute DHS decided to release the threat information obviously ISIS and those involved in the laptop plot would know someone was onto them.

    Feel free to roast Trump on other issues but the minimal amount of information disclosed here isn't causing an impact anywhere.

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    Again, I don't think the point is that this particular scenario had detrimental effects, but it's a sign that he does not know how to handle classified information properly. That used to be important to the GOP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post
    Source was already at risk the minute DHS decided to release the threat information obviously ISIS and those involved in the laptop plot would know someone was onto them.

    Feel free to roast Trump on other issues but the minimal amount of information disclosed here isn't causing an impact anywhere.
    Knowledge of a plot certainly exposes a potential source in a broad sense. Having more or certain specific details about the plot could point to smaller subset of potential sources. I think the greater risk here was the potential for Syria to figure out who the source is if Russia shares the details with them.

    We don't have the details on what he exposed. You think it's negligible, but the those involved thought it was a big enough deal that they had to immediately notify the IC it was exposed. To me, that implies it was potentially damaging.

    I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulo View Post
    Again, I don't think the point is that this particular scenario had detrimental effects, but it's a sign that he does not know how to handle classified information properly. That used to be important to the GOP.
    It's a lot different when the Secretary of State does it since the President can declassify anything he wants at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superfan99 View Post
    Knowledge of a plot certainly exposes a potential source in a broad sense. Having more or certain specific details about the plot could point to smaller subset of potential sources. I think the greater risk here was the potential for Syria to figure out who the source is if Russia shares the details with them.

    We don't have the details on what he exposed. You think it's negligible, but the those involved thought it was a big enough deal that they had to immediately notify the IC it was exposed. To me, that implies it was potentially damaging.

    I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree.
    You realize Syria is also fighting ISIS?

    Who involved think its a big deal other than CNN? Which isn't involved...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LZ View Post
    You realize Syria is also fighting ISIS?
    You realize the US and our Allies have been supporting multiple rebel factions that are actively fighting against the Syrian government and ISIS?


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    Who involved think its a big deal other than CNN? Which isn't involved...
    The White House officials in attendance during the meeting that immediately ran to notify the IC after Trump blabbed to the Russians.

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    I'm sitting here and am amazed that anyone would actually buy into this Russia narrative. Even the Dems know it's nothing but BS! Frankly it's pathetic! "Fearing" something that doesn't exist.

    Lol at your last comment Superfan. Remember the time Obama said a little something something to Medvedev? Remember the awesome treaty he signed with Russia that counts a Russian warship and its nuclear arsenal as one warhead versus counting every single warhead on a US ship..... Oh what about that one time Hillary awarded the Uranium contract to a Russian firm and later got paid for it..... all of which is fact. It seems to me there has to be a connection there, Obama and Putin must be best friends just fooling us all! What did we say back then? Nothing to see here!


    And now here we are.... discussing completely trivial and insignificant acts committed by our President. Boy you can hate him, but give me a break, you guys are being serious? You're not just trolling? Then again, you have to give credit where credit is due, Liberals are the masters of hysteria and blowing things way out of proportion! Bravo

    Tomorrow we will hear about how Trump cut his steak, front to back, or side to side. And then certain people on this site will discuss how that is something to be afraid of, be concerned about, Russia Colussion, treason, example of Trump not knowing what he's doing.

    But you know, those damn Russians! We're to blame for the loss that Dems cant get over, as well as everything else wrong in the world! Your dog took a piss on your bed? The Russians are to blame!... oh we can't forget Trump.
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    @nermoria - You being so certain about the Russia scandal being false is no different than liberals going nuts and being certain that it's true. There is an active investigation on the matter and that should tell us the truth since anything Trump says himself cannot be trusted. If you still believe most of what comes out of that man's mouth you're hopelessly misguided.

    The speculation gets way out of hand and it kills the credibility around many news sources but taking an unbiased view of the situation should at least make you wonder, that's all. No accusations. Nothing crazy. Just don't follow Trump blindly. He is, after all, a sleazy politician now.

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    The investigation would have been over if there wasn't this hysteria over it by the left. And if there was anything real there, it would have been done like every other investigation where we find out about it the day of the takedown. (Ie drug cartels). What we have now is an investigation in the media run by the media. As one Dem put it recently " it is not necessarily evidence, but you know, there are rumors".

    There were rumors that Obama is a Muslim with no US burth certificate. Where was that investigation? There wasn't because it's absurd. Same as this. It turned into the investigation as it is now purely due to the Democrats.

    The only reason why anyone would believe any of this is if you believed there was no chance for him to win the election, once he did, "cheating" must be the reason when in reality, those that were so sure Hillary would win did not have a good pulse of the country
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    That's simply untrue and you're adding your own hysteria to it. Let's wait for the investigation to conclude and then have this discussion?

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    There were rumors that Obama is a Muslim with no US burth certificate. Where was that investigation? There wasn't because it's absurd. Same as this. It turned into the investigation as it is now purely due to the Democrats.
    Yeah what nut job was pushing those bullshit rumors?

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    The kind of nutjobs pushing russia trump collusion. Originally this was a hacking investigation. Lol I'm adding hysteria? I'm laughing at what a joke this is
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    Can't tell if you missed the joke or just don't want to admit the false equivalency...

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    Im Russian I have no sense of humor

    To me Pelosi, Schumer and friends are nutjobs. But yeah i get the irony of the situation. The difference is when he said it back then people laughed at it, the nutjobs making claims now are actuallly in positions of power and are being taken seriously by some.

    I imagine this family mother Palin, whose kids are Pelosi, Waters, Warren, Schumer, and Feinstein. Family of Silliness and Absurd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nermoria View Post
    I'm sitting here and am amazed that anyone would actually buy into this Russia narrative. Even the Dems know it's nothing but BS! Frankly it's pathetic! "Fearing" something that doesn't exist.

    Lol at your last comment Superfan. Remember the time Obama said a little something something to Medvedev? Remember the awesome treaty he signed with Russia that counts a Russian warship and its nuclear arsenal as one warhead versus counting every single warhead on a US ship..... Oh what about that one time Hillary awarded the Uranium contract to a Russian firm and later got paid for it..... all of which is fact. It seems to me there has to be a connection there, Obama and Putin must be best friends just fooling us all! What did we say back then? Nothing to see here!

    And now here we are.... discussing completely trivial and insignificant acts committed by our President. Boy you can hate him, but give me a break, you guys are being serious? You're not just trolling? Then again, you have to give credit where credit is due, Liberals are the masters of hysteria and blowing things way out of proportion! Bravo

    Tomorrow we will hear about how Trump cut his steak, front to back, or side to side. And then certain people on this site will discuss how that is something to be afraid of, be concerned about, Russia Colussion, treason, example of Trump not knowing what he's doing.

    But you know, those damn Russians! We're to blame for the loss that Dems cant get over, as well as everything else wrong in the world! Your dog took a piss on your bed? The Russians are to blame!... oh we can't forget Trump.
    You think it's insignificant, plenty of other people don't.

    Where did I blame the Russians for anything in my recent posts?

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    Plenty of other people thought Obama being born abroad is not insignificant.

    You show concern for something the Democrats whipped up. This isn't the first time. It is not legitimate and fake in my opinion because of one thing;

    I can turn on CNN or NPR or anything from the Democrats, hear their latest "concerns" abd then get on this thread and see it again here.
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    #falseequivalency seems to be a theme here.

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    Lol you have to love it how you can't come to grips with the fact that this is all a sham. The Democrats know it. Its easy to see what the play is of establishment DC. Create chaos and the appearance of wrongdoing so come election time, they can say "arent you tired of this turmoil? Heres the candidate" things go back to normal, the swamp drain is plugged.

    Btw "real" people who don't live in an alternate reality don't use hashtags this thread proves that liberals are seriously lacking in areas of logic or intelligence. Amusing, it really is!


    Its "false equivalency" under one condition: The Democrats,msm and hollywood have any shred of honesty and credibility.
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    This guy is trolling hard.

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